Guild Charter

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Do you wish to accept this as our guild charter?

Poll ended at March 31st, 2013, 3:37 pm

Yes
3
75%
No, and I will post what I would like to change.
1
25%
 
Total votes: 4

Khaji
Posts: 50
Joined: May 29th, 2012, 5:18 am

Guild Charter

Post by Khaji »

Greetings brothers and sisters.
Below is the proposed charter for our guild. It defines the overarching rules and goals of the guild.
Please consider carefully if you find it fitting for our guild and then vote.
Also if you do not want it, please post a message explaining why.

Here is the charter:

This charter contains general guidelines for members of
the Monk's Guild of Moorgate. These guidelines are to
be followed when it is possible within the boundaries
of your own being. It is understood that we are all
individuals, and we must follow our own path; however,
there must be a guiding light for those who have lost
their way and those who are seeking a way. It must also
be understood that these are the suggestions and
pointers that have been proven effective and wise, and
blatant disregard of these will have serious repercussions,
such as the removal of guild ranks or even banishment
from the guild!

1. The guild is a place for all to enjoy and develop
themselves. With this in mind, it is of utmost
importance that we accept one another and treat each
other with the respect we ALL deserve. It matters not
who or what path a Guild Member chooses; he or she is a
Monk, of our Guild, of our Family, and should be
treated as such. This respect should also reflect in
our responses to non-guild members; they too are
members of our society, and shed blood on the same
ground in defense of Moorgate. Above all, we are
adventurers in this island of Cosrin, and we should
strive for fellowship with all.

2. All guild members should be aware of the effect
their actions may have on the guild, and all should
strive to promote the guild and the guilds beliefs at
all opportunities: brotherhood, spirituality, and
understanding.

3. Worship of all immortals and divine beings should be
respected by all monks. While the worshipping of gods is
not required of a member of the guild, many find their
inspiration in the divines, and as such should be respected.
The exception is if such worship brings harm to others.
In such a case one can do as they see fit so long as it does
not break the other rules of this guild.

4. Members of the Monks guild of Moorgate should try at
all times to be helpful to those that need assistance.
This should include helping those that may be lost to find
Their feet in the lands, whether it be through the member's
knowledge of the lands or even physical or magical aid.
We should all strive to be of assistance to others when
this does not infringe upon our own interests and aims.
We reap what we sow.

5. All members of the guild should take time to get to
know each other, as through understanding we only
strengthen the guild. If you have questions, feel free
to ask the guild officers for aid, and should you see a
newer member having problems try and take time to help
them. If you are unable to help them, please
contact a Guild Officer and they will see to the young
Monk.

6. The guild strongly opposes the killing of innocents,
which is against monk values. Furthermore, the guild
is a safe haven for all souls in need and we should try
our utmost to protect those seeking our help and
sanctuary. Monks should never attack an innocent
within the guild.

7. In the event that the guild comes under attack from
outside forces, ALL members are expected to defend the
guild in whatever way possible, whether this be through
healing the defenders, strengthening the defenders with
spells, or joining in repelling the attacking
forces.

8. All guild members are expected to follow and respect
the laws of the land and at all times, and if infractions
are seen, should notify a Guild Officer immediately.

9. All members of the guild should read the guild
boards whenever possible and are encouraged to share
their discoveries and other non-confidential information
on these boards.

10. All members are expected to try and find peaceful
solutions to problems they have with other residents
of this island of Cosrin. This includes not attacking
another person unprovoked and no public verbal
fighting. Should solving the problem seems
impossible this way, contact a Guild Officer to help.

11. The making of various pastes, scrolls and other
items is a scared gift given to us through learning
and discipline. Abuse of these items will not be
allowed as it might harm the guild as a whole.

12. Finally remember the Guild Officers are here to
help you, and are there to serve you and the guild. So
please don't ever be shy when you have any problem or
question. Have fun exploring this wondrous
land of Cosrin!
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Zeya
Posts: 16
Joined: May 25th, 2012, 5:17 pm

Re: Guild Charter

Post by Zeya »

Here is the charter:

This charter contains general guidelines for members of
the Monk's Guild of Moorgate. These guidelines are to
be followed when it is possible within the boundaries
of your own being. It is understood that we are all
individuals, and we must follow our own path; however,
there must be a guiding light for those who have lost
their way and those who are seeking a way. It must also
be understood that these are the suggestions and
pointers that have been proven effective and wise, and
blatant disregard of these will have serious repercussions,
such as the removal of guild ranks or even banishment
from the guild!

1. The guild is a place for all to enjoy and develop
themselves. With this in mind, it is of utmost
importance that we accept one another and treat each
other with the respect we ALL deserve. It matters not
who or what path a Guild Member chooses; he or she is a
Monk, of our Guild, of our Family, and should be
treated as such. This respect should also reflect in
our responses to non-guild members; they too are
members of our society, and shed blood on the same
ground in defense of Moorgate. Above all, we are
adventurers in this island of Cosrin, and we should
strive for fellowship with all.

2. All guild members should be aware of the effect
their actions may have on the guild, and all should
strive to promote the guild and the guilds beliefs at
all opportunities: brotherhood, spirituality, and
understanding.
-What are our guild beliefs? No one has stated what our goals are yet, and I'm not going to put my signature on this document until we get a better understanding of what our guild is, where it is going, what we stand for, and who we are. Simply putting words on paper do not make a guild.


3. Worship of all immortals and divine beings should be
respected by all monks. While the worshipping of gods is
not required of a member of the guild, many find their
inspiration in the divines, and as such should be respected.
The exception is if such worship brings harm to others.
In such a case one can do as they see fit so long as it does
not break the other rules of this guild.
-Action should absolutely be taken against those who have defaced the guild in the past. The headless statues outside our guild are a reminder that respect is a two way road.

4. Members of the Monks guild of Moorgate should try at
all times to be helpful to those that need assistance.
This should include helping those that may be lost to find
Their feet in the lands, whether it be through the member's
knowledge of the lands or even physical or magical aid.
We should all strive to be of assistance to others when
this does not infringe upon our own interests and aims.
We reap what we sow.

5. All members of the guild should take time to get to
know each other, as through understanding we only
strengthen the guild. If you have questions, feel free
to ask the guild officers for aid, and should you see a
newer member having problems try and take time to help
them. If you are unable to help them, please
contact a Guild Officer and they will see to the young
Monk.

6. The guild strongly opposes the killing of innocents,
which is against monk values.
Furthermore, the guild
is a safe haven for all souls in need and we should try
our utmost to protect those seeking our help and
sanctuary.
Monks should never attack an innocent
within the guild. -Who says this is against 'Monk' values? Who defines what a monk is? Truly - 'Monk' is but a title given to us by others, and we merely adopted this name. I do not consider myself a monk, but a Blade of the Saint. I want to point out that the second portion of this was not afforded to Merrick. (I feel like this, and rule 8 are merely forcing every person in the guild to role-play a lawful good character. The guild should be more open to the idea of different paths for different people.)

7. In the event that the guild comes under attack from
outside forces, ALL members are expected to defend the
guild in whatever way possible, whether this be through
healing the defenders, strengthening the defenders with
spells, or joining in repelling the attacking
forces.

8. All guild members are expected to follow and respect
the laws of the land and at all times, and if infractions
are seen, should notify a Guild Officer immediately.
-I don't like tattle tales, and I don't like the idea of the entire guild being shoehorned in as the cities own town guard with the GO's/GM being used as sheriffs.

9. All members of the guild should read the guild
boards whenever possible and are encouraged to share
their discoveries and other non-confidential information
on these boards.

10. All members are expected to try and find peaceful
solutions to problems they have with other residents
of this island of Cosrin. This includes not attacking
another person unprovoked and no public verbal
fighting. Should solving the problem seems
impossible this way, contact a Guild Officer to help.
-Basically you want us to cry to GO's/GM every time something goes sour.

11. The making of various pastes, scrolls and other
items is a scared gift given to us through learning
and discipline. Abuse of these items will not be
allowed as it might harm the guild as a whole. -Until clarification of what 'abuse' is well, clarified, I don't feel like this should even be part of the charter. It's very ambiguous and allow for abuse on the other end as well.


12. Finally remember the Guild Officers are here to
help you, and are there to serve you and the guild. So
please don't ever be shy when you have any problem or
question. Have fun exploring this wondrous
land of Cosrin!

(I am disappointed that this somehow has four votes, and only one person has spoken out on ANYTHING in the charter.)
Khaji
Posts: 50
Joined: May 29th, 2012, 5:18 am

Re: Guild Charter

Post by Khaji »

2. Like it specifically says: brotherhood, spirituality, and understanding. If you feel this isn't specific enough you can suggest something, but we are here for the advancement of our members, so I feel these beliefs are fitting.

6. We are defining what is a monk in this document, if you feel murdering innocents is acceptable behavior i am saddened but we can see what the other brothers and sisters think.

8. We cannot live on our own in this land, we must be a constructive part of it if we hope to better ourselves as well.

10. I propose trying to find a peaceful solution to problems. Should this fail one should seek outside help and this is what guild officers are for. I do not think it should be our way to resort to violence (verbal of physical) without considering alternatives first.

11. I guess we'll just have to assume the guild masters are less likely to abuse laws than the members, so that we will stand any chance of stopping any sort of abuse when it comes. Anything not on the charter will not count as a binding law and as such makes us vulnerable. At the present i can't think of any methods of abuse (thankfully) but this can change.
Baraspaur
Posts: 4
Joined: March 31st, 2013, 4:36 pm

Re: Guild Charter

Post by Baraspaur »

Zeya wrote:(I am disappointed that this somehow has four votes, and only one person has spoken out on ANYTHING in the charter.)
With all due respect, Brother Zeya, that makes sense, based on what the votes themselves actually say. The "no" vote states that the voter will mention the changes they wish to make, so it makes sense that the "yes" vote is for those who do not wish to make any changes. There is little reason for those voters to mention why they agree with the charter, at least until someone voices an objection.

That said, I'm voting against the Charter as it currently stands, in part because of what you said regarding rule 8. My initial reading of that rule was that infractions of the law of the land within our own halls should be reported to the Guild Officers, and this makes sense. Our Guild is subject to the law of the land, and the Guild hierarchy should be the ones responsible for anything that goes on within our halls.

However, I agree with you that we should not be enforcing the law of the land outside of our own walls. Brother Khaji is correct, the guild does have to serve a constructive role in the wider community, but I believe asking our Brothers and Sisters to act as an extension of the Town Guard goes too far. If the wording were changed, to only include infractions within our halls, that's fine by me, but I do not believe we should be reporting infractions that might involve members of other guilds and acts outside our own walls. That's for the other Guilds or for the Town Guards to decide.

It is for this reason that while I do not agree with the killing of innocents within our walls, I think the wording of rule 6 goes too far. The Guild should not "strongly oppose the killing of innocents", for the reasons you state. Such values, and in particular the whole idea of "innocents", are part of a person's spiritual and religious beliefs, and we should always be tolerant of those with different beliefs to our own. Isn't that what out Guild stands for most of all?

We can, however, state that the Guild is a safe haven, and a sanctuary to those in need, because I do believe that helping those in need is a part of a spiritual life, no matter what religious or spiritual beliefs you hold. As such I think the first line of rule 6 should be cut, and the rule should be reworded along the following lines:

"The guild is a safe haven for souls in need, and we should try our outmost to protect those seeking our help and sanctuary. Monks should never physically attack anyone within the guild, except to defend the Guild from attack"

While I agree with Brother Zeya that safe haven was not provided to Brother Merrick, I believe that this was acceptable, because the safety of others was at risk. Had Brother Merrick ceased threatening others, then I believe that he should have been entitled to safe haven, at least until a trial over his actions had taken place. But he remained an on-going threat.

I also agree with Brother Zeya regarding rule 10, but I wouldn't go so far as to completely scrap it. Physical attacks on members of the Guild, or threats of violence, should be prohibited, but personal squabbles with members of other Guilds are not a matter I think the Guild should get involved in.

Those are the three clauses I take issue with. As long as rule 6, 8 and 10 stand in their current form, I cannot vote in favour of the Charter. The sentiment is right, but they go too far.
Khaji
Posts: 50
Joined: May 29th, 2012, 5:18 am

Re: Guild Charter

Post by Khaji »

Sorry about the late response, I was hoping to get a reply from Admin first about the charter but no such luck.

Point 8 does not state that you are to enforce the laws of the land yourself. However it states you should report things. I do expect monks to be "good samaritans" as they say, we cannot allow breaches of the law be something we allow to happen without helping.

Point 6 does not specify what is an innocent, should anyone be on trial for breaching this rule we will have to decide if the person hurt is an innocent or not. Just because a monk thinks his banker cheated him so isn't an innocent does not mean it would be acceptable to murder him, to give an example of why I do not believe we can just scrap the first line.

About point 10, the general idea is that conflict should be avoided if possible. Both physical and verbal attacks on a person can often be more damaging to your cause than to help it, not to mention lowers the respect other people have for you and your guild. However the wording in no way states you should not do so if you feel that you must, and such situations do happen.

As your vote came after the closing of the poll I have to reject it, but as nobody had complaints about adding things to the charter I am pleased that it at least contains everything a monk would want it to.
You should not worry too much about laws being too restrictive, unless you are considerably out of line they will probably not be enforced upon you, they are mostly there so that a monk will know what is expected of them in general.
Admin
Site Admin
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Vote Closed

Post by Admin »

Because no valid indication of the vote's closure was given prior to Baraspaur's submission, his vote of disapproval stands.

I am officially closing the vote as is, 3 to 2 in favor. That is not enough of a majority to secure ratification, so a charter will have to be submitted again for a re-vote (presumably with revisions pertaining to the vocalized points of contention).
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